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00:01:28,730 thanks to you for having me on I really 17 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:31,619 appreciate you giving me an opportunity 18 00:01:37,550 --> 00:01:35,460 to tell my story uh it's funny I uh for 19 00:01:41,450 --> 00:01:37,560 years really didn't have too many people 20 00:01:43,910 --> 00:01:41,460 to tell this story to and then once I 21 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:43,920 was on unidentified a couple years ago 22 00:01:46,730 --> 00:01:45,840 suddenly everyone wanted to hear about 23 00:01:50,810 --> 00:01:46,740 it 24 00:01:53,870 --> 00:01:50,820 introductions my name is David marso I 25 00:01:56,830 --> 00:01:53,880 am a senior manager for major 26 00:02:01,850 --> 00:01:56,840 corporation here in the United States 27 00:02:04,490 --> 00:02:01,860 and uh in 1992 when I was 19 years old 28 00:02:06,469 --> 00:02:04,500 I had a close encounter with UFO 29 00:02:08,690 --> 00:02:06,479 and what I saw wasn't your typical 30 00:02:11,029 --> 00:02:08,700 sighting a lot of UFO sightings seem to 31 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:11,039 be some strange lights in the sky things 32 00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:13,260 you really can't identify which is why 33 00:02:17,930 --> 00:02:15,360 we call them unidentified flying objects 34 00:02:19,610 --> 00:02:17,940 what I saw wasn't unidentified I knew 35 00:02:20,809 --> 00:02:19,620 right away what I was looking at it was 36 00:02:22,190 --> 00:02:20,819 unmistakable 37 00:02:26,030 --> 00:02:22,200 I was 38 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:26,040 in the woods uh on um in military 39 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:27,360 service 40 00:02:33,710 --> 00:02:30,720 I was an Army reservist and my unit was 41 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:33,720 doing our annual summer training we went 42 00:02:39,770 --> 00:02:37,140 up to Gage Town New Brunswick Canada and 43 00:02:42,229 --> 00:02:39,780 uh we were an ammo unit so even though 44 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:42,239 my specialty was not ammunition everyone 45 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:45,840 had pull guard Duty and uh I had to go 46 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:49,200 out at 11 p.m one night I believe it was 47 00:02:55,369 --> 00:02:51,840 gonna this was probably a Tuesday or a 48 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:55,379 Wednesday the second week of August 1992 49 00:03:01,490 --> 00:02:59,040 and I had a guard an enormous pile of 50 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:01,500 ammunition out in the woods there were 51 00:03:05,210 --> 00:03:04,260 three sites three of us each guarding a 52 00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:05,220 site 53 00:03:10,009 --> 00:03:07,980 and around 11 20 54 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:10,019 I looked at about my one o'clock 55 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:12,720 position from where I was sitting and 56 00:03:17,869 --> 00:03:14,400 over the tree line was an enormous 57 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:17,879 spaceship I've been criticized uh online 58 00:03:23,949 --> 00:03:22,560 uh for jumping to that conclusion uh I 59 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:23,959 think somebody said 60 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:26,040 immediately saying it must be a 61 00:03:31,550 --> 00:03:29,220 spaceship uh what are you gonna do I I 62 00:03:33,710 --> 00:03:31,560 can't apologize for that 63 00:03:36,649 --> 00:03:33,720 saying anything that other than 64 00:03:38,330 --> 00:03:36,659 it was a spaceship uh would be like 65 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:38,340 looking at a house and saying well I 66 00:03:42,050 --> 00:03:40,560 don't know if that might be a dog or you 67 00:03:44,930 --> 00:03:42,060 know looking at a tree and saying it 68 00:03:46,910 --> 00:03:44,940 might be a rock uh it was there it was 69 00:03:49,009 --> 00:03:46,920 in front of me it was uh less than 100 70 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:49,019 yards away from me 71 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:53,280 I was what uh people have uh called the 72 00:03:58,490 --> 00:03:55,920 trained Observer Luis Elizondo was the 73 00:03:59,690 --> 00:03:58,500 first person that called me that and I 74 00:04:01,670 --> 00:03:59,700 had never heard that term before but 75 00:04:04,430 --> 00:04:01,680 when he as soon as he said it that made 76 00:04:06,949 --> 00:04:04,440 sense for me uh I actually was trained 77 00:04:10,309 --> 00:04:06,959 at the time we had uh these flash cards 78 00:04:12,589 --> 00:04:10,319 that were like playing cards and uh each 79 00:04:17,210 --> 00:04:12,599 of them had a silhouette of an aircraft 80 00:04:18,830 --> 00:04:17,220 it was either uh a NATO or Soviet block 81 00:04:20,629 --> 00:04:18,840 aircraft and and we were taught to 82 00:04:22,009 --> 00:04:20,639 identify them by their their shapes so 83 00:04:23,390 --> 00:04:22,019 that if it was dark or they were far 84 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:23,400 away we would know whether to shoot them 85 00:04:27,230 --> 00:04:24,540 or not 86 00:04:31,430 --> 00:04:27,240 so uh I knew looking at this thing you 87 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:31,440 know I had no wings no tail thin no uh 88 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:33,840 propellers no engines no visible means 89 00:04:39,770 --> 00:04:36,240 of propulsion or Direction had no no 90 00:04:40,810 --> 00:04:39,780 markings no uh seams or rivets made no 91 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:40,820 noise 92 00:04:45,129 --> 00:04:43,680 interestingly it made nothing around me 93 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:45,139 made any noise when this thing 94 00:04:53,150 --> 00:04:48,840 approached and uh for for years I 95 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:53,160 thought this was because uh like the you 96 00:04:57,409 --> 00:04:54,960 know the Crickets and the tree frogs and 97 00:04:58,969 --> 00:04:57,419 the the other uh you know nighttime 98 00:05:00,650 --> 00:04:58,979 Critters 99 00:05:01,790 --> 00:05:00,660 um knew something that looked some kind 100 00:05:04,370 --> 00:05:01,800 of instinct and they were all quiet 101 00:05:07,070 --> 00:05:04,380 because there was some danger there 102 00:05:10,129 --> 00:05:07,080 more recently I've come to the 103 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:10,139 conclusion that the the ship may have 104 00:05:13,010 --> 00:05:11,580 had some type of noise cancellation 105 00:05:15,530 --> 00:05:13,020 technology and that's why everything 106 00:05:18,050 --> 00:05:15,540 around me was silent which begs a lot of 107 00:05:19,790 --> 00:05:18,060 interesting questions uh maybe you know 108 00:05:21,409 --> 00:05:19,800 a lot of people have reported spaceships 109 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:21,419 are silent 110 00:05:24,890 --> 00:05:22,860 um and that was true in my case but 111 00:05:26,749 --> 00:05:24,900 everything was silent maybe maybe they 112 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:26,759 actually make a lot of noise and and we 113 00:05:30,350 --> 00:05:28,860 just don't know it because the the sound 114 00:05:31,670 --> 00:05:30,360 is canceled out 115 00:05:32,510 --> 00:05:31,680 anyway 116 00:05:34,370 --> 00:05:32,520 um 117 00:05:36,890 --> 00:05:34,380 it was terrifying 118 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:36,900 it was the most traumatic terrifying 119 00:05:41,390 --> 00:05:39,900 thing that's ever happened to me and uh 120 00:05:45,830 --> 00:05:41,400 I was 121 00:05:47,629 --> 00:05:45,840 um literally scared stiff I went into a 122 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:47,639 mode like 123 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:48,960 um you know I've done a lot of small 124 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:51,240 game hunting and I remember when my dad 125 00:05:56,990 --> 00:05:54,240 was teaching me to hunt uh he would you 126 00:05:59,510 --> 00:05:57,000 know tell me if if uh if we you know 127 00:06:01,730 --> 00:05:59,520 come up on a pheasant the Pheasant isn't 128 00:06:03,890 --> 00:06:01,740 Gonna Fly Away until after we've passed 129 00:06:05,870 --> 00:06:03,900 it because they know that they fly too 130 00:06:07,490 --> 00:06:05,880 slowly and and if they try to fly in 131 00:06:09,290 --> 00:06:07,500 front of you then then they'll get shot 132 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:09,300 but they'll let you go by and then they 133 00:06:12,710 --> 00:06:11,160 fly out behind you and then they can 134 00:06:14,810 --> 00:06:12,720 they can get away that way and sometimes 135 00:06:16,370 --> 00:06:14,820 people even step on them because they're 136 00:06:18,350 --> 00:06:16,380 not going to move and I was in that mode 137 00:06:20,689 --> 00:06:18,360 when this thing was was uh coming by Me 138 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:20,699 was traveling very slowly probably less 139 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:22,860 than a mile an hour it may have been 140 00:06:29,029 --> 00:06:25,979 hovering uh motionless at first it's 141 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:29,039 hard to remember but this was about a a 142 00:06:32,570 --> 00:06:30,720 five minute encounter when it was very 143 00:06:35,150 --> 00:06:32,580 close and a couple more minutes passing 144 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:35,160 uh uh beyond that that I kept watching 145 00:06:39,890 --> 00:06:38,880 it but while it was in my vicinity I 146 00:06:42,770 --> 00:06:39,900 couldn't move 147 00:06:44,270 --> 00:06:42,780 um I suppose I could have but I I was 148 00:06:45,469 --> 00:06:44,280 trying not to because I didn't want to 149 00:06:46,850 --> 00:06:45,479 be seen 150 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:46,860 at the time 151 00:06:51,409 --> 00:06:48,960 um there was no drone technology like we 152 00:06:54,110 --> 00:06:51,419 have now so the thought that the thing 153 00:06:55,969 --> 00:06:54,120 might be unmanned was was not even 154 00:06:57,650 --> 00:06:55,979 the possibility uh never never 155 00:06:59,870 --> 00:06:57,660 considered it 156 00:07:01,909 --> 00:06:59,880 so I assume there were some people or 157 00:07:03,230 --> 00:07:01,919 creatures inside uh piloting the thing 158 00:07:05,450 --> 00:07:03,240 and that if I moved that they would see 159 00:07:08,150 --> 00:07:05,460 me and then you know all these uh every 160 00:07:09,650 --> 00:07:08,160 science fiction uh show and movie that I 161 00:07:11,930 --> 00:07:09,660 had ever seen started going through my 162 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:11,940 my head and I thought maybe they'll beat 163 00:07:16,309 --> 00:07:14,520 me up or they'll uh is that me with a 164 00:07:17,450 --> 00:07:16,319 death ray or something and and that's it 165 00:07:19,309 --> 00:07:17,460 no one will ever know what happened to 166 00:07:20,809 --> 00:07:19,319 me and and um you know they'll tell 167 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:20,819 stories about it I don't know the guy 168 00:07:24,950 --> 00:07:22,620 just disappeared all this is going 169 00:07:27,469 --> 00:07:24,960 through my head at the time so terrified 170 00:07:28,909 --> 00:07:27,479 uh not moving just barely uh you know 171 00:07:31,490 --> 00:07:28,919 like moving my eyes and in my head 172 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:31,500 enough to keep the thing in in sight 173 00:07:37,850 --> 00:07:35,160 until it was uh uh leaving my my uh 174 00:07:39,230 --> 00:07:37,860 field of vision and I knew that uh at 175 00:07:41,450 --> 00:07:39,240 that point I had to get up and kind of 176 00:07:42,770 --> 00:07:41,460 kind of follow it because I was I was 177 00:07:44,629 --> 00:07:42,780 afraid that it might Circle back around 178 00:07:46,010 --> 00:07:44,639 and come come back over me 179 00:07:48,110 --> 00:07:46,020 um so 180 00:07:49,490 --> 00:07:48,120 the whole encounter lasted about five to 181 00:07:51,890 --> 00:07:49,500 seven minutes 182 00:07:54,409 --> 00:07:51,900 um and absolutely terrified and and uh 183 00:07:55,969 --> 00:07:54,419 to the extent that uh 184 00:07:57,710 --> 00:07:55,979 you know 185 00:08:01,490 --> 00:07:57,720 um when I finally did start talking 186 00:08:03,230 --> 00:08:01,500 about it you know initially I me and the 187 00:08:05,150 --> 00:08:03,240 other guy that saw it a few sites away 188 00:08:07,790 --> 00:08:05,160 we told everyone in our unit about it 189 00:08:09,469 --> 00:08:07,800 and then we got ridiculed and uh you 190 00:08:10,969 --> 00:08:09,479 know we were the laughing stock and lost 191 00:08:13,189 --> 00:08:10,979 all credibility so we stopped talking 192 00:08:15,950 --> 00:08:13,199 about it and then after that I don't 193 00:08:18,469 --> 00:08:15,960 think I told anyone for about another at 194 00:08:20,570 --> 00:08:18,479 least five years I think it was 195 00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:20,580 it was in the late 90s I I remember 196 00:08:25,189 --> 00:08:23,340 telling my cousin and his wife about it 197 00:08:26,869 --> 00:08:25,199 and at that time 198 00:08:30,050 --> 00:08:26,879 it was it was like I had been 199 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:30,060 transported back to that moment and uh 200 00:08:34,850 --> 00:08:31,680 started that I was like reliving the 201 00:08:37,010 --> 00:08:34,860 terror of of the incident and my eyes 202 00:08:40,070 --> 00:08:37,020 walled up and I didn't actually shed a 203 00:08:42,529 --> 00:08:40,080 tear but my my eyes were as full of 204 00:08:45,230 --> 00:08:42,539 water as as they could be without any 205 00:08:46,730 --> 00:08:45,240 any tears actually coming out and and um 206 00:08:48,829 --> 00:08:46,740 you know because of the ridicule that 207 00:08:51,230 --> 00:08:48,839 that I had faced years earlier when this 208 00:08:53,570 --> 00:08:51,240 thing happened uh I said to my my 209 00:08:55,850 --> 00:08:53,580 cousin's uh she was his girlfriend at 210 00:08:59,570 --> 00:08:55,860 the time later his wife I said uh do you 211 00:09:02,329 --> 00:08:59,580 believe me and she says well I I can see 212 00:09:03,530 --> 00:09:02,339 you know you're you're visibly uh I 213 00:09:05,750 --> 00:09:03,540 don't remember how she put it like 214 00:09:08,930 --> 00:09:05,760 shaking or something but you know I had 215 00:09:11,930 --> 00:09:08,940 physical symptoms of of the trauma uh 216 00:09:14,150 --> 00:09:11,940 and and so uh after that it was a little 217 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:14,160 bit easier to to start telling people I 218 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:15,600 still didn't like tell everyone I met 219 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:16,980 because I didn't want people to think I 220 00:09:20,509 --> 00:09:19,260 was a weirdo but uh little by little I 221 00:09:23,690 --> 00:09:20,519 started to let the cat out of the bag 222 00:09:26,509 --> 00:09:23,700 early on uh in my relationship with my 223 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:26,519 wife I let her know about it 224 00:09:31,730 --> 00:09:29,640 and she was cool with it and uh it was 225 00:09:33,889 --> 00:09:31,740 uh because it was like sort of an Open 226 00:09:37,009 --> 00:09:33,899 Secret within within my extended family 227 00:09:38,810 --> 00:09:37,019 that uh uh my sister-in-law ended up 228 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:38,820 sending me the New York Times article 229 00:09:43,730 --> 00:09:41,040 about Luis salazando and uh everything 230 00:09:46,130 --> 00:09:43,740 he was doing with uh to the Stars 231 00:09:47,690 --> 00:09:46,140 Academy that I tracked him down and was 232 00:09:49,250 --> 00:09:47,700 able to to reach out to him and 233 00:09:50,930 --> 00:09:49,260 eventually uh told my story on 234 00:09:54,170 --> 00:09:50,940 unidentified 235 00:09:56,329 --> 00:09:54,180 one thing that uh that Luis Elizondo 236 00:09:57,590 --> 00:09:56,339 asked me he said to me how has this 237 00:10:02,030 --> 00:09:57,600 changed you 238 00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:02,040 and I said at the time that this has the 239 00:10:06,949 --> 00:10:04,800 event made me Fearless 240 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:06,959 it's not that it that it really made me 241 00:10:13,790 --> 00:10:10,800 Fearless I feel fear I don't 242 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:13,800 feel it the way that I would have before 243 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:16,260 this incident and what I can liken it to 244 00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:20,100 is how if uh if you've ever smoked a 245 00:10:23,269 --> 00:10:21,360 cigarette 246 00:10:26,449 --> 00:10:23,279 drank a beer 247 00:10:29,570 --> 00:10:26,459 you know done various substances I'm not 248 00:10:32,930 --> 00:10:29,580 into all that but you know I did smoke 249 00:10:35,269 --> 00:10:32,940 for a while and you know that like that 250 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:35,279 first that first cigarette that first 251 00:10:39,110 --> 00:10:37,440 drink whatever it is you're having 252 00:10:42,410 --> 00:10:39,120 gets you really 253 00:10:44,449 --> 00:10:42,420 um really high and then you know you've 254 00:10:45,889 --> 00:10:44,459 had more and more and more and more and 255 00:10:49,130 --> 00:10:45,899 after a while you don't feel it as much 256 00:10:50,509 --> 00:10:49,140 so someone who's been drinking for you 257 00:10:52,430 --> 00:10:50,519 know 10 years 258 00:10:55,009 --> 00:10:52,440 can still get drunk 259 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:55,019 but not off of one beer like maybe 260 00:10:59,389 --> 00:10:57,360 someone who's had their first beer and 261 00:11:00,590 --> 00:10:59,399 that's that's what fear is like for me 262 00:11:02,750 --> 00:11:00,600 now 263 00:11:07,610 --> 00:11:02,760 I still feel it 264 00:11:10,009 --> 00:11:07,620 but not like it it's it's not really 265 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:10,019 anything it doesn't really affect me 266 00:11:12,829 --> 00:11:10,680 um 267 00:11:15,350 --> 00:11:12,839 I don't really get scared 268 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:15,360 and it's because I think this this 269 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:18,720 extreme trauma it was no words can 270 00:11:24,350 --> 00:11:22,560 really describe the terror 271 00:11:28,009 --> 00:11:24,360 that I felt 272 00:11:30,970 --> 00:11:28,019 when an alien spaceship was 273 00:11:33,170 --> 00:11:30,980 you know less than 100 yards for me 274 00:11:35,389 --> 00:11:33,180 traveling very slowly 275 00:11:39,250 --> 00:11:35,399 I'm out in the middle of the Woods 276 00:11:41,509 --> 00:11:39,260 in who who knows where in uh in Canada 277 00:11:44,930 --> 00:11:41,519 I'm armed 278 00:11:46,730 --> 00:11:44,940 I had an M16 rifle this is the old style 279 00:11:48,650 --> 00:11:46,740 that fires full auto 280 00:11:50,449 --> 00:11:48,660 but no bullets 281 00:11:53,690 --> 00:11:50,459 there had been an incident a few years 282 00:11:57,949 --> 00:11:53,700 back where civilians had stolen some 283 00:12:01,550 --> 00:11:57,959 ammunition and uh some some uh soldiers 284 00:12:03,710 --> 00:12:01,560 American soldiers shot at them and so 285 00:12:06,650 --> 00:12:03,720 this time around in order to avoid an 286 00:12:08,210 --> 00:12:06,660 international incident they sent us out 287 00:12:11,569 --> 00:12:08,220 there with our weapons but no ammunition 288 00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:11,579 it was just a show 289 00:12:17,150 --> 00:12:14,399 so you know I don't know if the people 290 00:12:19,310 --> 00:12:17,160 flying this uh the ship if they uh could 291 00:12:20,930 --> 00:12:19,320 see that I'm armed and possibly a threat 292 00:12:22,610 --> 00:12:20,940 but not know that I didn't actually have 293 00:12:25,430 --> 00:12:22,620 any ammunition in the weapon so I really 294 00:12:27,650 --> 00:12:25,440 wasn't a threat uh so it was it was 295 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:27,660 extraordinarily terrifying 296 00:12:34,310 --> 00:12:32,040 it felt like a Sitting Duck and that uh 297 00:12:36,650 --> 00:12:34,320 that changed me 298 00:12:39,530 --> 00:12:36,660 so that uh there's really nothing that 299 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:39,540 shakes me these days 300 00:12:44,110 --> 00:12:42,420 so that's my story I 301 00:12:47,030 --> 00:12:44,120 um there's a lot more that I can tell 302 00:12:49,790 --> 00:12:47,040 there's so many little details and I've 303 00:12:51,949 --> 00:12:49,800 tried writing it down a few times and 304 00:12:53,690 --> 00:12:51,959 you know it's it's like it was a five to 305 00:12:55,550 --> 00:12:53,700 seven minute encounter but I could fill 306 00:12:58,009 --> 00:12:55,560 a hole you know I could fill hundreds of 307 00:13:00,949 --> 00:12:58,019 pages with it someday I will I'll write 308 00:13:03,530 --> 00:13:00,959 it all down but uh yeah that's my story 309 00:13:07,610 --> 00:13:03,540 of sticking with it and uh I'm Dave 310 00:13:12,829 --> 00:13:10,550 hey Ryan my name is Josh and I would 311 00:13:16,190 --> 00:13:12,839 like to share an experience that I had 312 00:13:17,810 --> 00:13:16,200 the experience was on Saturday July 11th 313 00:13:20,990 --> 00:13:17,820 2020 314 00:13:23,870 --> 00:13:21,000 here in Las Vegas I'm a Vegas resident 315 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:23,880 and it happened on East Russell Road 316 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:27,120 near the Sam Boyd football stadium I was 317 00:13:32,750 --> 00:13:30,120 walking down Russell Road at about maybe 318 00:13:35,329 --> 00:13:32,760 7 45 8 o'clock P.M 319 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:35,339 and as I was walking I just happened to 320 00:13:38,210 --> 00:13:37,320 look up as I always do searching for 321 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:38,220 things 322 00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:40,920 and as soon as I popped my head up 323 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:43,440 I noticed a cylinder in the sky 324 00:13:47,509 --> 00:13:45,660 if I had to estimate it would probably 325 00:13:50,329 --> 00:13:47,519 be in about 326 00:13:51,170 --> 00:13:50,339 maybe five six thousand feet I could be 327 00:13:53,870 --> 00:13:51,180 wrong 328 00:13:55,730 --> 00:13:53,880 but it was a cylinder with the front 329 00:13:59,269 --> 00:13:55,740 portion of it being black 330 00:14:01,790 --> 00:13:59,279 and the the second portion of it being 331 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:01,800 gray more of a gunmetal color 332 00:14:07,129 --> 00:14:04,680 and it was flying straight up at a good 333 00:14:09,889 --> 00:14:07,139 clip and then it stopped 334 00:14:11,210 --> 00:14:09,899 made a right turn and probably flew 335 00:14:14,569 --> 00:14:11,220 another 336 00:14:16,970 --> 00:14:14,579 I would say maybe two three hundred feet 337 00:14:19,389 --> 00:14:16,980 and it stopped again and then it either 338 00:14:21,769 --> 00:14:19,399 disappeared or it shot off 339 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:21,779 instantaneously because it was gone 340 00:14:25,910 --> 00:14:24,240 there was a cloud of smoke and the 341 00:14:29,090 --> 00:14:25,920 object was gone 342 00:14:31,790 --> 00:14:29,100 so that just blew my mind it lasted 343 00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:31,800 probably less than five seconds and 344 00:14:38,930 --> 00:14:34,079 it left me with a feeling of disbelief 345 00:14:41,629 --> 00:14:38,940 of extreme curiosity and of uh of of 346 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:41,639 Wonder just to what it was 347 00:14:45,949 --> 00:14:43,560 it didn't seem like a conventional craft 348 00:14:47,090 --> 00:14:45,959 it didn't seem like a man-made craft but 349 00:14:52,370 --> 00:14:47,100 it could be 350 00:14:54,889 --> 00:14:52,380 so that was the beginning and I kept 351 00:14:56,689 --> 00:14:54,899 walking down Russell Road and I got to 352 00:15:00,769 --> 00:14:56,699 the end and this by this time it was 353 00:15:02,629 --> 00:15:00,779 about 8 11 maybe quarter after 8 p.m and 354 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:02,639 it was still light out and I noticed 355 00:15:08,329 --> 00:15:05,040 above the stadium this bright pink 356 00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:08,339 object that was shaped like a square 357 00:15:13,310 --> 00:15:10,620 maybe a rectangle but it was not 358 00:15:15,949 --> 00:15:13,320 aerodynamic and it shot straight up in 359 00:15:18,769 --> 00:15:15,959 the air from behind the stadium to about 360 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:18,779 maybe a thousand two thousand feet and 361 00:15:25,069 --> 00:15:21,920 it started making enormous vertical 362 00:15:28,009 --> 00:15:25,079 circles and horizontal circles in the 363 00:15:30,170 --> 00:15:28,019 sky it was going really fast 364 00:15:33,170 --> 00:15:30,180 and I don't know how it was flying it 365 00:15:34,670 --> 00:15:33,180 didn't have wings it didn't from my 366 00:15:37,069 --> 00:15:34,680 perspective didn't have any means of 367 00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:37,079 propulsion and it looked like a square 368 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:40,440 like a a block of some sort 369 00:15:44,449 --> 00:15:42,660 and it just kept making these circles I 370 00:15:47,090 --> 00:15:44,459 watched it and recorded it for about 371 00:15:50,090 --> 00:15:47,100 maybe two or three minutes 372 00:15:53,329 --> 00:15:50,100 and then as I was recording it 373 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:53,339 I look off behind the stadium near what 374 00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:55,800 I believe is Sunrise Mountain and I 375 00:16:01,790 --> 00:15:58,560 noticed a bunch of sirens 376 00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:01,800 and lights coming towards the stadium so 377 00:16:05,750 --> 00:16:04,320 I wasn't sure what that was and what was 378 00:16:08,449 --> 00:16:05,760 going on 379 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:08,459 but I stopped recording and kind of made 380 00:16:12,590 --> 00:16:10,980 my way out of there I wasn't sure what 381 00:16:14,030 --> 00:16:12,600 was going to happen if it's something I 382 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:14,040 should see or something I shouldn't have 383 00:16:16,490 --> 00:16:14,940 seen 384 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:16,500 so I didn't want to be any part of it 385 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:21,120 and I just ended up going home uh 386 00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:23,160 actually I went to a friend's house as 387 00:16:28,449 --> 00:16:25,260 far as the way it made me feel 388 00:16:30,769 --> 00:16:28,459 again it was just utter disbelief 389 00:16:34,129 --> 00:16:30,779 checking my head to see if I really saw 390 00:16:35,629 --> 00:16:34,139 that what I think it was I I honestly 391 00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:35,639 don't know I don't know what either of 392 00:16:40,910 --> 00:16:38,820 the objects were my best guess is 393 00:16:43,610 --> 00:16:40,920 something top secret man-made or 394 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:43,620 something not of this world 395 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:46,620 where do I stand today I stand by my 396 00:16:50,689 --> 00:16:49,440 feelings I still don't know what it was 397 00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:50,699 and 398 00:16:55,550 --> 00:16:53,519 you know we could have come so far in 399 00:16:57,949 --> 00:16:55,560 our progress with Aerospace technology 400 00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,959 that it could be something man-made but 401 00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:59,519 it could certainly be something else as 402 00:17:04,610 --> 00:17:01,680 well and it was just a really exciting 403 00:17:06,289 --> 00:17:04,620 day for me I've had another sighting a 404 00:17:08,329 --> 00:17:06,299 pretty cool one since then which I would 405 00:17:11,689 --> 00:17:08,339 be happy to share again in another time 406 00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:11,699 uh it was investigated by mufon recently 407 00:17:18,890 --> 00:17:14,400 and the results were pretty cool it was 408 00:17:20,929 --> 00:17:18,900 on September 14th at 4 55 A.M 409 00:17:23,870 --> 00:17:20,939 here in Las Vegas 410 00:17:26,689 --> 00:17:23,880 this would be West Russell Road this 411 00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,699 time as I was walking West to the gym to 412 00:17:31,070 --> 00:17:28,559 get an early morning workout and I 413 00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:31,080 noticed a bright light in the sky 414 00:17:35,570 --> 00:17:33,660 that was situated roughly right above 415 00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:35,580 Nellis Air Force Base 416 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:37,860 and the thing that stood out to me was 417 00:17:42,350 --> 00:17:39,720 that it was not moving or at least it 418 00:17:44,330 --> 00:17:42,360 did not appear to be moving it certainly 419 00:17:46,250 --> 00:17:44,340 wasn't moving left or right 420 00:17:47,810 --> 00:17:46,260 and it wasn't growing in size or 421 00:17:50,930 --> 00:17:47,820 shrinking so I didn't think it was 422 00:17:53,090 --> 00:17:50,940 moving towards me or away from me 423 00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:53,100 and I watched it for about seven to ten 424 00:17:57,289 --> 00:17:54,120 minutes 425 00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:57,299 and it just sat there pulsing 426 00:18:02,930 --> 00:18:00,000 it appeared to be an orange sphere 427 00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,940 uh I guess we could call it an orb 428 00:18:07,130 --> 00:18:04,799 very large 429 00:18:09,049 --> 00:18:07,140 and it was just sitting there hanging in 430 00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,059 the air above the Air Force Base for 431 00:18:14,029 --> 00:18:11,280 about seven to ten minutes 432 00:18:16,610 --> 00:18:14,039 and I kept watching it I recorded it 433 00:18:18,409 --> 00:18:16,620 and at the end of the 434 00:18:21,409 --> 00:18:18,419 time frame 435 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:21,419 it went from a pulsing orb 436 00:18:27,409 --> 00:18:24,840 to two very small blinking lights in an 437 00:18:30,650 --> 00:18:27,419 instant it just transformed 438 00:18:32,210 --> 00:18:30,660 and then it started very slowly moving 439 00:18:35,690 --> 00:18:32,220 away to the West 440 00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:35,700 and it just glided off over the horizon 441 00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:37,980 very slowly and I watched it the entire 442 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,440 time but it remained stationary for 443 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:42,000 about seven to ten minutes and I 444 00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:43,799 couldn't hear a sound from it although 445 00:18:47,450 --> 00:18:46,080 it was far away so it could have been 446 00:18:50,270 --> 00:18:47,460 making a sound but I didn't hear 447 00:18:52,490 --> 00:18:50,280 anything directly coming from it and the 448 00:18:55,789 --> 00:18:52,500 interesting thing is 449 00:18:57,890 --> 00:18:55,799 the very next two days I had the exact 450 00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:57,900 same sighting of the exact same object 451 00:19:03,230 --> 00:19:00,240 just in slightly different locations 452 00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:03,240 with the exact same characteristics what 453 00:19:08,450 --> 00:19:06,000 do I think it was 454 00:19:11,330 --> 00:19:08,460 um it could be something man-made 455 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:11,340 perhaps some type of helicopter or hover 456 00:19:14,990 --> 00:19:12,480 jet 457 00:19:17,210 --> 00:19:15,000 that was able to silently remain 458 00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:17,220 stationary for an extended period of 459 00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:18,419 time 460 00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:21,600 it could certainly be something else too 461 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:24,539 and I sent this sighting into mufon in 462 00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:25,799 the video 463 00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:27,960 and they recently had an investigator 464 00:19:32,990 --> 00:19:29,580 contact me 465 00:19:35,630 --> 00:19:33,000 and he was able to use radar data flight 466 00:19:37,930 --> 00:19:35,640 scheduling flight data and his 467 00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:37,940 conclusion was that it was an airplane 468 00:19:44,090 --> 00:19:41,400 and that it was flying towards me that's 469 00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,100 why it did not appear to be moving 470 00:19:49,370 --> 00:19:46,080 um I'm not sure if I agree with that 471 00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:49,380 because the size of the the light did 472 00:19:55,789 --> 00:19:52,140 not change at all 473 00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:55,799 but I don't have a very well 474 00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,520 um Extended knowledge of of flight 475 00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,919 characteristics so I could be wrong 476 00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:04,320 but the cool thing was 477 00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,240 even though it was a plane the 478 00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:07,919 investigator told me that the only plane 479 00:20:11,690 --> 00:20:09,900 that was in the air at that time 480 00:20:15,470 --> 00:20:11,700 at that location 481 00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:15,480 going that direction was a Janet flight 482 00:20:21,890 --> 00:20:20,340 going to Area 51 from McCarran so even 483 00:20:24,110 --> 00:20:21,900 if it was an alien it was still 484 00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:24,120 something cool and I just wanted to 485 00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:26,220 share that I wish you a good day thank 486 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:32,570 hi Ryan and all the listeners out there 487 00:20:37,490 --> 00:20:35,880 in the somewhere in the skies podcast 488 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:37,500 um firstly just thanks for the 489 00:20:42,830 --> 00:20:40,440 opportunity to share an experience and 490 00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:42,840 they also a big warm welcome to Scotland 491 00:20:47,870 --> 00:20:45,240 Ryan and when you just moved here from 492 00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:47,880 across the point so I hope you enjoy 493 00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:50,580 your stay here and enjoy living and that 494 00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:52,440 way old Scotland anyway 495 00:20:59,330 --> 00:20:56,820 so my name's John I am 41 years old I 496 00:21:02,270 --> 00:20:59,340 have a wife and three children and 497 00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:02,280 I live in catfield bank which is a small 498 00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:04,380 semi rural Village on the southern 499 00:21:09,710 --> 00:21:07,500 Fringe of the central built Scotland and 500 00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:09,720 I worked full-time as a prison officer 501 00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:12,299 or in the States you should probably 502 00:21:16,490 --> 00:21:14,760 refer them as a Corrections Officers and 503 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,500 so I've worked in prison service for 504 00:21:21,470 --> 00:21:18,960 just coming up for 14 years 505 00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:21,480 so my experience 506 00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:27,480 um happened to the 22nd of October 2017. 507 00:21:33,169 --> 00:21:31,200 that would be just before the big New 508 00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:33,179 York Times article that really triggered 509 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:34,679 off a lot of the stuff that's been 510 00:21:39,649 --> 00:21:37,440 happening over the last few years and it 511 00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:39,659 was roughly nine o'clock at night I had 512 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:43,140 been in my garage and which I use as a 513 00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,140 sort of man cave type area you know some 514 00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,760 of my hobbies in there keep my dive kit 515 00:21:51,649 --> 00:21:49,679 in there and repair that and build 516 00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,659 models and stuff just block things 517 00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,760 through it anyway 518 00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:56,159 um so it was closing up at night and I 519 00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,659 was heading back into the house I 520 00:22:00,409 --> 00:21:59,280 collected a few items to take into the 521 00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:00,419 house and then leaving the garage 522 00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:03,000 overnight and ironically actually 523 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:07,380 included my Nikon DSLR slow over my 524 00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,140 shoulder at the time and so before 525 00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,520 leaving the garage there isn't always 526 00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:12,960 there in a caucus because that's they 527 00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:15,419 just looked up at the clock and thought 528 00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:16,980 right about going at the house organized 529 00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:19,020 for work in the morning and so I pulled 530 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:21,179 in the shutter of the garage you know 531 00:22:25,810 --> 00:22:23,460 after collecting my stuff walk towards 532 00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:25,820 up the driveway towards the house 533 00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:28,640 Andy just have a quick look at my phone 534 00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:31,740 and I looked up and 535 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:35,460 my attention was was drawn to 536 00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:38,580 what I could only disclaim as 537 00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:42,120 warm white lights and I see warm white 538 00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:43,980 as in like incandescent lights rather 539 00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:46,500 than that sort of bright white LED 540 00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:49,260 um so two circular white lights 541 00:22:52,669 --> 00:22:51,179 um sitting you know 542 00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,679 you know 543 00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:55,200 um horizontal plane if that makes any 544 00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,539 sense can I describe it as like a figure 545 00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:00,480 of eight on its side that's kind of 546 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:02,340 really how it looked 547 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,460 um I could only describe these things as 548 00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:06,960 traveling a Breakneck speed you know it 549 00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:08,940 was really moving across the sky the 550 00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:10,860 whole counter only lasted you know a 551 00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,419 short amount of time in a few seconds 552 00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:14,159 probably 553 00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:15,360 um 554 00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:17,100 they were moving it 555 00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:20,820 allowed and so it drew my attention 556 00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:22,860 right away because you know I like to 557 00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,320 look up at this guy and you know admire 558 00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:27,120 what's happening and this guy's above at 559 00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:29,100 night time we have a bit of love we have 560 00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:30,360 a fairly decent view of this guy there's 561 00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:32,520 not a great dealer 562 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,740 um light pollution so you can you see a 563 00:23:40,010 --> 00:23:37,200 few constellations 564 00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:40,020 um that night actually I remember seeing 565 00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:42,419 uh I satellite you know on the way out 566 00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:44,580 to the garage at night as I say I hope 567 00:23:48,529 --> 00:23:46,380 you look up and here I've been busy on a 568 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:48,539 satellite and it's not in common to see 569 00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:51,240 things like that oh yeah you better live 570 00:23:55,010 --> 00:23:52,320 um 571 00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:55,020 but this really Drew my attention 572 00:23:59,690 --> 00:23:56,940 um but as I see it was rocking across 573 00:24:02,510 --> 00:23:59,700 the sky and I don't know why but I feel 574 00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:02,520 Goosebumps and I sort of shiver up your 575 00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:05,400 spine just something about it didn't sit 576 00:24:11,690 --> 00:24:10,380 right now uh if it was a weekend 577 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:11,700 um you know we used to go on holiday in 578 00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:13,980 the north of Scotland and pretty close 579 00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:16,740 to Air Force Base called Aria flossy 580 00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:17,940 mouth 581 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:20,400 I'm just not far along the road there 582 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,500 was another Air Base which is now 583 00:24:27,310 --> 00:24:24,240 they shot down new things on our movies 584 00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:27,320 new RAF can loss they lost your mouth 585 00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:31,320 had the flash still does have a fast 586 00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:34,380 Jets stationed there it's the Euro for 587 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:36,059 your typhoon now but back in the day it 588 00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:38,820 was the little tornadoes and so I've 589 00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:40,980 seen lots of low-flying fighter jets you 590 00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:42,900 know in terms of its speed dumps but 591 00:24:48,409 --> 00:24:45,960 this thing looked like it was moving but 592 00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:48,419 there was no sound 593 00:24:54,529 --> 00:24:52,080 it was a street trajectory it wasn't art 594 00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:54,539 you know it was it was flying street 595 00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,840 level the forward of the two 596 00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,159 lights 597 00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:02,159 was was poulton the other one was what 598 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:04,500 you would describe as a solid on all the 599 00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:06,740 time light but then as it moved across 600 00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:09,840 from from my perspective perspective it 601 00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:12,780 was going from the right to the left and 602 00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:15,539 the first the one at the leading light I 603 00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:18,539 suppose it was pulsating and 604 00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,059 very quickly faded and never saw that 605 00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,000 again but the the detailing light I feel 606 00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:26,640 like was still there and for a few short 607 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,919 settings and then that just faded out as 608 00:25:33,649 --> 00:25:31,200 well and as far as the whole encounter 609 00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,659 goes that's it 610 00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,240 um so it was traveling above the the 611 00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:38,760 field just beyond my house 612 00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:41,700 um maybe I don't know 200 meters away 613 00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,900 roughly was what I estimated at the time 614 00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:48,720 um aircraft fly over my house all the 615 00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,740 time so yeah we're probably roughly 616 00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,720 halfway between Glasgow and Edinburgh 617 00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:56,640 probably slightly closer to Glasgow 618 00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:58,200 actually but you know so both of those 619 00:26:03,409 --> 00:26:01,320 big cities have airports and so aircraft 620 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,419 to fly over everything particularly on 621 00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:05,700 route to Glasgow but you can see your 622 00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:07,380 craft you know heading to the Edinburgh 623 00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,380 as well in the opposite direction 624 00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:12,240 normally at that height you will hear 625 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,299 the aircraft engines pretty loud 626 00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:18,120 but they're normally substantially more 627 00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:21,240 higher in this guy and then this object 628 00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:22,500 was 629 00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:29,940 any wind whatsoever or you know very 630 00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:32,340 very little certainly it's quite a clear 631 00:26:37,549 --> 00:26:35,400 night there wasn't any other sort of 632 00:26:39,409 --> 00:26:37,559 weather patterns or anything at the time 633 00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:39,419 it was just still come 634 00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:42,900 you know all evening but this thing was 635 00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:46,440 just there was no sound whatsoever and I 636 00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:47,340 stood 637 00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:49,380 for a few minutes after the the lights 638 00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:50,460 faded 639 00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:51,480 um 640 00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:53,340 just kind of try to gather my thoughts 641 00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,799 and I was freaking out what did I just 642 00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:57,600 see you what did I just Witness 643 00:27:01,970 --> 00:26:59,100 American said that those sorts of 644 00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:01,980 possibilities aircraft helicopters 645 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:04,380 um at that time my gear was um pretty 646 00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:05,880 close to the 5th of November where 647 00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:09,419 people uh sit off celebrate Guy Fawkes 648 00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:10,620 Night 649 00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,659 again there's usually lots of fireworks 650 00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:14,400 and stuff going on but this was not 651 00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,440 firework because there was no there was 652 00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:17,760 as you see there was no sound there was 653 00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:19,559 no contrail 654 00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:22,200 um you know like if a a firework goes 655 00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,460 off you know there's usually some sort 656 00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:25,919 of a trailer sort of Sparks and stuff 657 00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:28,440 behind it there was none of that 658 00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,120 um it just faded out there wasn't a 659 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,400 buying there wasn't a pop that you would 660 00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:35,340 normally associated with these 661 00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:37,260 um Airborne pirate 662 00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:39,419 it was a steady horizontal course there 663 00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:40,919 was no fluctuations as I said before 664 00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:43,679 there was no Arkin at all there is a 665 00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:46,559 route nearby and I said also considered 666 00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:49,919 that that could have been car lights but 667 00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,380 in the direction it was heading it would 668 00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:55,200 have to be heading up the hill in which 669 00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:58,260 case then you would see the red the tail 670 00:28:01,490 --> 00:28:00,299 lights of the car as opposed to the the 671 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,500 white lights 672 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:03,360 um but it was also not 673 00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,460 following the track over the road 674 00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:08,159 because as I say you know I do live here 675 00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:10,919 so I know what direction there 676 00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,140 the cars would be going in and stuff and 677 00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,360 it was interesting as well the object 678 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:18,240 just faded you know there was a pulse 679 00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:22,080 and it faded rather just point out 680 00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:25,620 to see the the trailing light also done 681 00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,260 the same a short time thereafter even 682 00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,480 though that wasn't Polson 683 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:33,120 consider the possibility a drone 684 00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:35,940 um but again when I think about the 685 00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,179 speed I don't know it just it was too 686 00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:42,480 quick it was really really fast as I 687 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:44,820 said and you know what I haven't had 688 00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:47,460 experience watching Fast yet you know 689 00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:49,620 whenever and practice and stuff in the 690 00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:51,779 north of Scotland I don't think drones 691 00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,779 can can move at that battery or not 692 00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:55,919 and again 693 00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:59,460 it felt a lot was dark and I know that 694 00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:02,039 your perspective can be altered and the 695 00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:03,480 Darkness is different but more difficult 696 00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:04,860 to judge distances and stuff and I get 697 00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:08,760 that but I it felt fairly close and you 698 00:29:12,890 --> 00:29:10,380 would like to think that you know there 699 00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:12,900 would be some sound coming from that as 700 00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:14,220 well 701 00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:16,020 um after a minute or two I committed the 702 00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:17,700 house that was the top my wife about it 703 00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:21,000 and it was about sort of nonchalant 704 00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,539 really she's not a Believer or you know 705 00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,460 anything that's interested in in this 706 00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,039 sort of field and spoke to my dad who 707 00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:30,480 was quite interested in this story in 708 00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:32,520 his room okay that's interesting that's 709 00:29:34,330 --> 00:29:33,779 fair enough 710 00:29:37,549 --> 00:29:34,340 um 711 00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,559 and I've really spoke of it since to 712 00:29:42,289 --> 00:29:39,600 that many people other than a few close 713 00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:42,299 friends I did a Google search when I 714 00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:44,340 come into the house as well I felt 715 00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:46,380 really not shaken but just something 716 00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:48,600 that necessarily you know 717 00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:51,480 um so I thought I could call search and 718 00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:55,260 I found a website called Beams I believe 719 00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:58,980 it's some research organization 720 00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:01,140 and probably a smaller level but someone 721 00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:03,000 to move forward I would imagine but at 722 00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:04,200 this point in time I'd never heard them 723 00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:05,520 before now 724 00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,039 organizations but when I went on this 725 00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:10,620 organization's website there was a site 726 00:30:17,389 --> 00:30:13,220 enlisted that had a small picture 727 00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:17,399 attached and it was so Eerie when I seen 728 00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:19,080 it because it just pretty much looked 729 00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:22,380 identical to the object I'd just seen 730 00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:25,140 somebody for Devin you know South 731 00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:27,539 England that managed to photograph their 732 00:30:32,269 --> 00:30:30,120 subject and it was described as two 733 00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:32,279 cells dividing you know if you ever see 734 00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:34,679 biology videos or you know images in 735 00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:37,020 biology textbooks and you look at cell 736 00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:39,240 division that's that's what this thing 737 00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:41,159 looked like and the lights themselves 738 00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:43,740 weren't solid they 739 00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:46,679 mostly they had a nucleus at the center 740 00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:49,080 with a glow sort of on the outside it 741 00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:50,700 was still bright in the center but there 742 00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:52,919 was a sort of Darker spot in the middle 743 00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:53,820 of it 744 00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:57,059 and on both legs and I don't know if 745 00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:01,080 these were two objects or one object or 746 00:31:05,389 --> 00:31:03,659 I just don't know I don't know what I do 747 00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:05,399 anyways is it's not 748 00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:08,340 any other plane it's not a helicopter I 749 00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:11,640 have no idea it was a strange strange 750 00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:15,419 experience and I think about it most 751 00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,880 days and usually when I'm popping out to 752 00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:19,500 the garage 753 00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:22,740 um to do a couple of jobs or to you know 754 00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,559 do some washing or you know the stuff 755 00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,539 out the tumble dryer we keep up there or 756 00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:29,340 whatever I'm doing or even if I'm 757 00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:30,840 putting out to the car they collect a 758 00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:33,059 few bits and Bobs I always look up at 759 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:34,500 that same spot 760 00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:36,600 and think back to that night 761 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,559 and it still stumps me as to what it is 762 00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:42,480 um the report the restatement that I 763 00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:44,039 wrote myself at the time you know I 764 00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:46,980 jotted all these notes down and entitled 765 00:31:52,490 --> 00:31:50,100 unidentified law flying lights I'm not 766 00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:52,500 saying this is Little Green Men from 767 00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:53,580 Mars 768 00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:57,480 or trans-dimensional entities or 769 00:32:02,810 --> 00:31:58,860 anything like that 770 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:02,820 but I cannot explain what this is 771 00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:04,620 that really made me feel not 772 00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,799 uncomfortable but it made me feel 773 00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:09,059 strange 774 00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:11,220 as I said I don't know if you noticed at 775 00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:13,500 the start but actually I had my camera 776 00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:16,799 at a DSLR camera slung over my shoulder 777 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,500 I had my mobile phone in my hand 778 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,080 and thought did not occur to me to take 779 00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:25,200 a photograph I was just transfixed on 780 00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:27,480 that subject I don't even think I would 781 00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:30,179 have done enough time to get a show off 782 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:32,520 but one of the most strangest 783 00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:35,700 experiences of my entire life 784 00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:43,190 with the Darcy and the sky 785 00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,350 hi Ryan it's your friend Kelly from the 786 00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,220 UFO Rabbit Hole thank you so much for 787 00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:51,840 inviting me to share my story with you 788 00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:54,179 and the somewhere in the skies audience 789 00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:57,480 so I saw UFO when I was 13 years old I 790 00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,100 was on vacation with my family at the 791 00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,200 outer banks in North Carolina in a 792 00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:03,120 little town called Avon just north of 793 00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:05,100 Hatteras we went there almost every 794 00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,840 summer and one of my favorite things to 795 00:33:11,149 --> 00:33:08,880 do at night was to sit outside and watch 796 00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,159 the Stars having grown up in the suburbs 797 00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:13,200 where the sky is always a dull shade of 798 00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,000 orange and the stars are few and far 799 00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:17,519 between the spectacle of a truly Dark 800 00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:19,740 Night Sky filled with thousands of stars 801 00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,140 was something I couldn't resist I found 802 00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,000 myself out on the deck most nights 803 00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,399 looking up at the stars in awe one 804 00:33:30,529 --> 00:33:28,080 particular night I was out on the deck 805 00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,539 in my usual stargazing routine when I 806 00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:32,399 had the strangest thought go through my 807 00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,120 head 808 00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:35,760 what if I see a UFO 809 00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:38,820 it was a very strange thought UFOs 810 00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,019 weren't something that I ever really 811 00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,659 thought about and yet suddenly I felt a 812 00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,640 very strong urge to scan the skies 813 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:46,919 looking for something that I wasn't sure 814 00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:49,260 that I even really believed existed and 815 00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:51,899 as soon as I did so I saw a light moving 816 00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:54,299 across the sky it was a small bright 817 00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,279 clear light that seemed to be moving a 818 00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:58,799 little too swiftly to be a plane and as 819 00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:00,659 soon as I locked my eyes onto it it took 820 00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:02,580 a hard 90 degree turn and then another 821 00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,580 before accelerating instantaneously and 822 00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:07,440 streaking off past the Horizon like a 823 00:34:12,829 --> 00:34:09,960 meteor I remember being absolutely 824 00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,839 electrified by what I saw I felt like I 825 00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:15,119 was going to crawl out of my skin I 826 00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:17,159 didn't know what I had seen exactly but 827 00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:18,659 I knew that it moved like nothing else 828 00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:21,659 that I'd ever seen even at 13 I knew 829 00:34:25,369 --> 00:34:23,639 instinctively that the physics of it all 830 00:34:28,609 --> 00:34:25,379 just stretched the boundaries of all 831 00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,619 reason and yet I knew what I had seen I 832 00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,480 ran into the house to tell my family but 833 00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:31,919 they laughed at me and accused me of 834 00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:34,619 making up stories and to be honest there 835 00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:36,119 was a part of me that wondered if if 836 00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:38,820 maybe I had imagined the whole thing I 837 00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,679 mean how could it be possible that I 838 00:34:44,409 --> 00:34:42,659 just happened to see something so 839 00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:44,419 strange and seemingly impossible 840 00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:46,980 literally a second after having this 841 00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,080 strange thought that I might see a UFO 842 00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:52,440 was I fooling myself I had a pretty 843 00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:54,780 active imagination as a kid but I never 844 00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:56,820 had any trouble differentiating my 845 00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:59,640 flight to Fancy from actual reality and 846 00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:01,500 yet when everyone else thinks that 847 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,420 you're making it up at a certain point 848 00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,280 it becomes easier to place that doubt 849 00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:07,440 with yourself I didn't think about the 850 00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:09,900 UFO much after that probably not even 851 00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:12,420 once a year but every long once in a 852 00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:14,040 while I would remember that night and 853 00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,140 wonder what it was that I had seen 854 00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:18,720 it wasn't until the spring of 2021 when 855 00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:20,280 I returned to the Outer Banks with my 856 00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:22,020 family that this story suddenly became 857 00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,940 top of mind for me again 858 00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:25,920 I have been half paying attention to the 859 00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:27,720 occasional news story that I came across 860 00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:29,339 that talked about how the government had 861 00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,500 admitted that UFOs are real and that we 862 00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:32,880 don't know what they are 863 00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:34,920 each time I came across a story like 864 00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:36,780 that it made me think of what I had seen 865 00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:39,420 when I was 13. and a little part of me 866 00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:41,820 wondered if I might have actually seen a 867 00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:42,900 UFO 868 00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,180 and so when my family decided to return 869 00:35:49,609 --> 00:35:47,579 to the Outer Banks for vacation it felt 870 00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:49,619 like the perfect time to dive back into 871 00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:51,660 the subject and figure out what was 872 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,680 going on 873 00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:54,960 I had a whole week with nothing to do 874 00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:57,599 but kill time reading on the beach and I 875 00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:59,160 thought that given that time to focus 876 00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:01,619 I'd be able to get to the bottom of what 877 00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:03,420 was really going on pretty quickly 878 00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:05,400 mostly because I didn't really believe 879 00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,859 at that point that UFOs were real I mean 880 00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,260 sure the government was saying that UFOs 881 00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,240 are real but the government says a lot 882 00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:14,640 of things I figured this had to be some 883 00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:16,680 kind of a play to get a rubber stamp for 884 00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,260 black budget spending or maybe it was 885 00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,599 secret foreign Tech I wasn't sure what 886 00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,700 was going on exactly but I was sure that 887 00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,440 it had to have some kind of a rational 888 00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:28,079 explanation however instead of a neat 889 00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,599 and tidy explanation what I discovered 890 00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:33,119 was a deep and Labyrinthian Rabbit Hole 891 00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:35,640 where each new mystery once examined 892 00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,400 gave way to an even deeper one and whose 893 00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:40,079 tendrils seem to be entwined through 894 00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:42,119 every academic discipline and spirit of 895 00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,240 Life there were no easy answers only a 896 00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:47,760 bottomless well of questions I was 897 00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,579 utterly fascinated and completely hooked 898 00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:53,280 the UFO Rabbit Hole podcast was born of 899 00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:55,619 that Obsession and of a life-changing 900 00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:57,540 anomalous experience that I had a few 901 00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:59,220 months later but I don't want to get 902 00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:01,560 bogged down there I told that story in 903 00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:04,140 episode 294 of somewhere in the skies if 904 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,119 you're interested in hearing about it 905 00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:08,400 so fast forward a year to the summer of 906 00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:10,859 2022 I've been working on the podcast 907 00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:12,900 for the past nine months and was finding 908 00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:14,820 myself deeper and deeper in the world of 909 00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,400 UFOs I ended up taking a class from one 910 00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,920 of my favorite authors on the subject Dr 911 00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,560 Diana Walsh pasulka she wrote a book 912 00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:24,839 called American Cosmic that made a huge 913 00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:26,700 impact on me and my understanding of the 914 00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:28,859 phenomenon and so I was very excited to 915 00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:31,140 learn from her and I did learn so much 916 00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:33,180 in Diana's class and one of the most 917 00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:35,220 profound things that I learned was about 918 00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:37,800 the process of redaction that occurs 919 00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,780 when someone has an anomalous experience 920 00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,240 like a UFO sighting the stigma 921 00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,640 associated with such events often paired 922 00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:46,260 with serious doubts or outright 923 00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:47,940 disbelief that such things are even 924 00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,700 possible can cause people to change how 925 00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,380 they tell the story of what happened to 926 00:37:57,950 --> 00:37:55,680 them even to themselves and as I learned 927 00:38:01,250 --> 00:37:57,960 about how this redaction process unfolds 928 00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,260 I had a startling realization my UFO 929 00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,880 sighting at the Outer Banks when I was 930 00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:05,160 13 wasn't the only sighting that I've 931 00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:08,220 had in fact I had a much more profound 932 00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,260 sighting in a park outside of Akron Ohio 933 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:13,200 in broad daylight when I was 21. let me 934 00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:14,760 tell that story and then I'll explain 935 00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,619 how I think it is that I came to forget 936 00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,680 something that was so extraordinary so 937 00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:22,320 it was a spring day in April of 2007. 938 00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,359 I've been going through a tough time and 939 00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:25,920 a friend invited me to a local Metro 940 00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:28,020 Park the plan was for us to hang out in 941 00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:30,780 the woods and do LSD I'd never done it 942 00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:32,700 before and to be honest I had no real 943 00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,280 idea of what I was getting myself into 944 00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:37,200 we each did one hit and then sat on the 945 00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:38,820 top of this hill overlooking a pond 946 00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:41,400 surrounded by trees after a while the 947 00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:43,500 visuals started kicking in it wasn't 948 00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:45,780 anything major but for a first timer it 949 00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,300 was thrilling I remember looking at the 950 00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,160 twisting Yellow Green Grass of early 951 00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,079 spring and thinking that I understood 952 00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,480 now what Van Gogh must have seen 953 00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,760 we sat there talking having that kind of 954 00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,560 sweeping cerebral conversation that 955 00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,839 flows from such a state it was a very 956 00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:03,000 pleasant and mellow experience 957 00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:04,680 but at one point during this 958 00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:06,780 conversation something seemed seem to 959 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:08,760 appear above the tree line I remember 960 00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:10,859 both of us being startled by it because 961 00:39:14,650 --> 00:39:13,020 although it was very large and only a 962 00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,660 couple hundred feet above the tree line 963 00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:17,359 it truly seemed to come out of nowhere 964 00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:19,980 we'd both been staring in that direction 965 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,920 but we never saw it approach it was just 966 00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:25,200 there as though it had emerged from a 967 00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,940 hole in the sky itself that we couldn't 968 00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,800 see at first I thought it was the 969 00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:31,200 Goodyear blimp Akron Ohio is the home of 970 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,760 the Goodyear blimp and so seeing it 971 00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:34,320 floating overhead was a pretty common 972 00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:35,640 occurrence 973 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:37,859 and this did remind me of the blimp in 974 00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,260 some ways it was of a similar size 975 00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,000 though this was slightly bigger than the 976 00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:44,160 blimp and the way that it seemed to 977 00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:46,500 float slowly and stoically across the 978 00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,320 sky reminded me of how the blimp moves 979 00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,119 but that's where the similarities ended 980 00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:54,480 whatever this was was a deep brown color 981 00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:56,940 and more oblong in shape than a blimp 982 00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:00,119 what many would call cigar-shaped any 983 00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:02,060 other details are impossible to give 984 00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:04,859 although the object had a distinct size 985 00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:07,380 and shape it also somehow felt like it 986 00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,020 didn't have any discrete edges it was 987 00:40:14,089 --> 00:40:11,760 hard to look at almost like it was 988 00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:14,099 blurry I just kept rubbing my eyes 989 00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:15,960 trying to get the image to resolve into 990 00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:18,300 something familiar but all I saw was 991 00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,240 this long brown smudge moving slowly 992 00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:23,700 across the sky it made me weirdly 993 00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:25,500 uncomfortable and I actually felt like I 994 00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:28,200 wanted to look away from it and then as 995 00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:30,300 quickly as it was there it was gone it 996 00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:31,740 traveled maybe a few hundred yards 997 00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,900 across the sky over the tree line and 998 00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:36,000 then disappeared as strangely as it 999 00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:38,940 appeared as if into an unseen hole in 1000 00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:41,460 the air itself my friend definitely saw 1001 00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,260 it too and we kept asking each other 1002 00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:46,079 what was that and even though we agreed 1003 00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,579 that it didn't look anything like the 1004 00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:50,160 blimp we also ultimately agreed that it 1005 00:40:55,490 --> 00:40:52,320 had to be the blimp I mean after all 1006 00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:55,500 what else could it have been and we were 1007 00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:58,200 quite literally tripping so that must be 1008 00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,599 it right what I'd thought I'd seen was 1009 00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:02,880 impossible so the only explanation was 1010 00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:05,460 that I hadn't seen it and so I simply 1011 00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:06,900 put it out of my mind 1012 00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:09,599 but how does that happen I'll admit that 1013 00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:11,160 even having experienced this whole thing 1014 00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:13,260 for myself it was still very strange and 1015 00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:15,480 unsettling for me to realize that I 1016 00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:17,160 could just forget something like that 1017 00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,220 and continue to not remember it even 1018 00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:22,079 when I was spending every spare second 1019 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,880 of my day immersed in the study of the 1020 00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:26,160 phenomenon I was thinking about UFOs 1021 00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,220 literally all of the time so how could I 1022 00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,040 have forgotten what I'd seen 1023 00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:33,599 forgetting actually isn't even the right 1024 00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,460 word because it's not like this memory 1025 00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:38,640 was blocked or suppressed exactly I 1026 00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,920 think that does happen to people but it 1027 00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,720 didn't feel like that was what happened 1028 00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,119 to me rather this felt more like a 1029 00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:47,760 categorization error of some kind in my 1030 00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:48,660 brain 1031 00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,700 it's like that memory was a file in my 1032 00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:52,680 brain and because I had never named that 1033 00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:55,980 file UFO citing when I searched for UFO 1034 00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:57,720 sightings in my brain that experience 1035 00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,180 didn't pop up I hadn't built any 1036 00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,160 connections in my brain between that 1037 00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:04,920 experience and a UFO sighting and so for 1038 00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:07,680 me those connections simply didn't exist 1039 00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,720 and I think there are a few reasons for 1040 00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:11,640 why that happened all of which I suspect 1041 00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:13,500 are pretty common among people who have 1042 00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:15,720 these types of experiences first of all 1043 00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:18,180 I didn't think of what I saw as a UFO 1044 00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,859 because it didn't look like what I 1045 00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,599 thought a UFO was supposed to look like 1046 00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:24,000 as someone who at that point in my life 1047 00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,339 didn't have even a casual interest in 1048 00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:28,800 UFOs my main conception of the 1049 00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:30,780 phenomenon was what I saw in the media 1050 00:42:37,609 --> 00:42:34,800 to me a UFO is a flying saucer an actual 1051 00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,619 solid technological craft piloted by 1052 00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:39,599 aliens from another planet 1053 00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:41,339 and that's just not what this looked 1054 00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:43,500 like at all I couldn't really tell what 1055 00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,540 it was and even though what reminded me 1056 00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:47,880 vaguely of a blimp it's weird blurry 1057 00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,740 appearance didn't look like any kind of 1058 00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,140 craft that I'd ever seen so I didn't 1059 00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:54,480 necessarily think that it was a craft 1060 00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,180 what I saw defied categorization and so 1061 00:43:01,010 --> 00:42:59,339 my brain simply failed to categorize it 1062 00:43:03,050 --> 00:43:01,020 the second reason for this 1063 00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,060 categorization error was the fact that 1064 00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,800 we were on LSD 1065 00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:07,200 like I said that was my first time that 1066 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:09,060 I'd ever done LSD and I didn't really 1067 00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:10,859 know anything about what that experience 1068 00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,380 was supposed to be like I'd heard that 1069 00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:16,020 LSD made you see things so I assumed 1070 00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:17,880 that that was what it had done 1071 00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,520 however looking back more than 15 years 1072 00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:22,440 later and with a considerable amount of 1073 00:43:26,349 --> 00:43:24,359 experience in psychedelics under my belt 1074 00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:26,359 I look at this experience differently 1075 00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,640 for me LSD can dramatically change the 1076 00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:31,740 quality of what I'm looking at things 1077 00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,960 can seem to look alive at a molecular 1078 00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:36,240 level colors and textures are more 1079 00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:38,520 profound but I've never had an 1080 00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:41,160 experience on LSD where I saw something 1081 00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:43,800 that wasn't there particularly something 1082 00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:46,740 that another person also can see that 1083 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,359 doesn't mean that I have entirely ruled 1084 00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,640 out that what we saw was just a weird 1085 00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:52,800 shared visual experience as a result of 1086 00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:55,140 being chemically altered it could be 1087 00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:56,940 it's just that given my other 1088 00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:59,880 experiences it seems unlikely it also 1089 00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:01,319 changed my perspective to understand 1090 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:03,540 that many people who research psychical 1091 00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:06,960 phenomena and contact experiences see 1092 00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,760 psychedelics as a legitimate contact 1093 00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:11,040 modality that can allow people to 1094 00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:12,839 perceive things that tap into abilities 1095 00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:14,460 that they otherwise wouldn't have access 1096 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,380 to we're still learning about what 1097 00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:18,720 psychedelics do to the brain but despite 1098 00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:20,040 the traditional view that they increase 1099 00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:22,200 activity in the brain the latest 1100 00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:24,119 research suggests that psychedelics 1101 00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:26,099 significantly disrupt normal neural 1102 00:44:30,349 --> 00:44:28,619 activity and quiet the brain could this 1103 00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:30,359 allow your conscious mind to pick up on 1104 00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:31,619 things that it otherwise would filter 1105 00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,200 out it's too early to know for sure but 1106 00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:36,240 it's certainly possible and there was a 1107 00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,740 final reason that I managed to forget 1108 00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:39,839 about this experience and it's because 1109 00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:43,260 frankly I doubted my own mental state 1110 00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:45,900 in the spring of 2007 I was coming out 1111 00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,700 on the other end of what I sincerely 1112 00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:49,440 hope will end up being the worst year of 1113 00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:51,660 my life my father had been diagnosed 1114 00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:53,220 with a rare and aggressive form of 1115 00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:55,380 cancer and passed away suddenly leaving 1116 00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,300 my family devastated 1117 00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:59,640 a few days after the funeral my fiance 1118 00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:01,560 cheated on me and abruptly ended our 1119 00:45:06,109 --> 00:45:04,140 relationship and then after months of 1120 00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:06,119 licking my wounds I went out on my first 1121 00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,980 date as a single woman with a Charming 1122 00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:09,960 PhD candidate that my friends introduced 1123 00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:12,119 me to and he ended up drugging and 1124 00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,380 raping me 1125 00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,359 I apologize for bringing down the room 1126 00:45:19,849 --> 00:45:18,300 with all of that but for the purposes of 1127 00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:19,859 this conversation I think it's actually 1128 00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,660 really important to make clear the level 1129 00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:23,640 of trauma that I was processing at the 1130 00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,099 time the thing about processing trauma 1131 00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:28,319 and grief is that it can make you doubt 1132 00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:30,119 yourself on the most fundamental level 1133 00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:32,700 for me I think it was easier to believe 1134 00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,200 that the tragedies that had been 1135 00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:36,300 following me Were Somehow my fault than 1136 00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,220 it was to deal with what felt like the 1137 00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:40,800 utter randomness of the universe and its 1138 00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:43,020 seeming indifference to suffering at 1139 00:45:48,349 --> 00:45:45,180 least if it was my fault then I had some 1140 00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,359 level of control and hypothetically if I 1141 00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:49,680 could fix the things that were wrong 1142 00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:51,300 with me that caused these things to 1143 00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:52,920 happen then I could stop them from 1144 00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,140 happening again it doesn't make a lot of 1145 00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:57,359 rational sense but it's the kind of 1146 00:46:02,089 --> 00:45:59,339 Faustian bargain that people deep in 1147 00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:02,099 grief make all the time but instead of 1148 00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:03,960 saving yourself you end up poisoning 1149 00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,099 yourself with endless 1150 00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,960 self-incriminations 1151 00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:08,880 and that's where I was on that spring 1152 00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:12,839 day in 2007 heartbroken beaten down and 1153 00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:15,300 filled with a deep self-loathing I 1154 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,460 didn't trust myself or my perceptions of 1155 00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:20,160 reality and I felt Awash and a sea of 1156 00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:21,780 cognitive dissonance 1157 00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:23,579 so when I saw something that I didn't 1158 00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:26,040 think I could possibly have seen it had 1159 00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,740 never been easier to doubt myself I just 1160 00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:31,020 assumed I was wrong and the reason I 1161 00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:33,300 bring this up is because as I've spent 1162 00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:35,099 more time diving into the experience or 1163 00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:38,099 literature it clear that trauma like 1164 00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:40,680 psychedelics might at times provide a 1165 00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:42,839 window into experiences and perceptions 1166 00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:44,760 that we wouldn't normally have 1167 00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:47,940 no one knows why this is exactly perhaps 1168 00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,560 it's just that the psychologically 1169 00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:51,599 destabilizing impact of these events 1170 00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:52,980 allows things to get through your 1171 00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:55,319 filters that normally wouldn't again we 1172 00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:56,460 don't know 1173 00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:58,920 but I wanted to share my story because I 1174 00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,380 don't think it's unusual I wasn't the 1175 00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,540 only person in Dr basilka's class who 1176 00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:06,000 uncovered anomalous experiences in their 1177 00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,339 past that have been redacted and pruned 1178 00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:10,680 past the point of all recognition 1179 00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:13,020 but once you understand how this process 1180 00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,540 of redaction works and the motives that 1181 00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,460 underlie the personal misreporting of 1182 00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:20,040 our own experiences it becomes a very 1183 00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:22,020 simple task to excavate those 1184 00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:24,540 experiences and reintegrate them back 1185 00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:27,060 into the fabric of your life which to be 1186 00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:29,220 clear is not the same thing as finding 1187 00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,460 answers I still have no idea what I saw 1188 00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,920 at the beach that night when I was 13 1189 00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:36,720 and I feel like I have even less of a 1190 00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:38,220 sense of what I saw at the park when I 1191 00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:40,980 was 21 and I may never know 1192 00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,319 but I am grateful for the fullness of 1193 00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:45,359 life that is available on the other side 1194 00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:46,680 of redaction 1195 00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:49,020 instead of forcibly amputating the 1196 00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:51,300 experiences that I can't explain I'm 1197 00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:53,880 able to make room for them allowing for 1198 00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:56,099 mystery to exist and carving out a place 1199 00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:58,380 in my psyche for the unknowable has 1200 00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,380 brought a sense of depth meaning and awe 1201 00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:03,359 back into my life that I thought I'd 1202 00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,920 lost in childhood 1203 00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,440 and best of all I'm no longer at war 1204 00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:09,599 with myself or my memories 1205 00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:11,700 and in re-establishing that trust with 1206 00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:14,520 myself I have found a great deal of 1207 00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,780 peace 1208 00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:17,940 thank you so much for the opportunity to 1209 00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:19,380 tell my story and thank you for 1210 00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:25,430 hello Ryan how are you doing 1211 00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,020 um this is Terry notris 1212 00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:29,760 I'd just like to tell you about my 1213 00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:32,760 experience we're back in 1978. 1214 00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:37,680 I was 28 years old then I'm 72 now 1215 00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:42,599 and it was Sunday the 25th of June 1978. 1216 00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:44,280 I was starting to pop my gate I go 1217 00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:45,900 fishing I was running a bit late to 1218 00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:47,640 catch the turn of the tired at new not 1219 00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:48,420 day 1220 00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:50,940 the weather was fine Clear Blue Sky not 1221 00:48:55,069 --> 00:48:52,500 a clothing site 1222 00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:55,079 I've been a keen photographer for many 1223 00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,300 years and nearly always kind of carried 1224 00:49:01,490 --> 00:48:59,760 a camera with me at weekends 1225 00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:01,500 I placed my camera in the bag as usual 1226 00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:03,900 but I had second thoughts and I put it 1227 00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:05,880 back in the cupboard it was that was 1228 00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:07,560 probably the biggest make mistake I've 1229 00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:09,300 ever made in my life 1230 00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:13,200 I was traveling north on the a189 from 1231 00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,819 cramlington 1232 00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,280 to lanemouth Power Station where near 1233 00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:18,720 the beach where 1234 00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:20,760 I always used to fish there 1235 00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,680 and I spotted in the usual object just 1236 00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:24,240 above the Horizon to the left of the 1237 00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,500 road 1238 00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:28,140 at first I thought it was enabling with 1239 00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:31,140 being sort of a zeppelin shape until I 1240 00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,420 caught a better video if it's about a 1241 00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,520 mile further down the road 1242 00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:37,920 I pulled up in a layer bar and got out 1243 00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:40,440 the car studied the object for about a 1244 00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:41,339 minute 1245 00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:43,380 and I realized it was moving to the left 1246 00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:45,000 which was West 1247 00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:47,099 but very slowly 1248 00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:49,140 and it was just about five or ten 1249 00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:51,780 degrees of above the Horizon I then 1250 00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:55,160 considered that maybe not be a balloon 1251 00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:58,440 strange colored squirrel the lighter was 1252 00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:01,859 admitting and um it was I can only 1253 00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:04,200 describe it sort of a liquidy gas which 1254 00:50:07,690 --> 00:50:05,940 seemed to be covering this perfect 1255 00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:07,700 symmetrical 1256 00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,460 shape sort of a cigar shape 1257 00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:12,960 I've got back in the car and drilled 1258 00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:14,700 further up the road about another three 1259 00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:17,339 miles until I came into view again 1260 00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:18,060 um 1261 00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:20,579 stop got out of the car again which I 1262 00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:22,200 noticed it was sort of diminishing in 1263 00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,119 size and I realized it was actually 1264 00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:26,880 turning around and I watched the subject 1265 00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,220 to a complete 180 degree turn 1266 00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:32,160 which took about 45 seconds then it 1267 00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:33,960 started moving to the right which is 1268 00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,480 East towards the sea 1269 00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:38,460 um when it when I viewed it ended on it 1270 00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,560 was difficult to make out an exact shape 1271 00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:42,240 would have seem to resembled here the 1272 00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:44,220 rear of the submarine 1273 00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:47,700 and as it was turning end on the swirl 1274 00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,520 and colored substance was covering the 1275 00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:52,079 object which seemed to indicate I have 1276 00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:54,119 since some sort of screen 1277 00:51:00,109 --> 00:50:57,480 over its entire service but not but 1278 00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:00,119 still maintained in its perfect shape 1279 00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:03,180 I had no come to the conclusion that it 1280 00:51:05,809 --> 00:51:04,740 would it wasn't a balloon anything I'd 1281 00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:05,819 seen before 1282 00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:07,800 I also rule out the possibility it could 1283 00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:11,099 have been a gas cloud or sort of the 1284 00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,079 fact that the movements were in a 1285 00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,480 controlled manner really 1286 00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,760 I decided to race up the motorway 1287 00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:19,859 towards the power station and pulled up 1288 00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:21,660 next to the gate where I usually park 1289 00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,619 the car 1290 00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:24,300 this was another four out of five mile 1291 00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:26,940 Zone the object was in and out of view 1292 00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:29,339 on the way but by a timer arrived at 1293 00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:31,319 Power Station I must have turned around 1294 00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:34,740 again and there was no hidden West it 1295 00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:36,540 was obviously much closer to the object 1296 00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:38,579 that I was much closer to the object 1297 00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:41,880 than before and it was huge it was 1298 00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:44,880 moving behind a Thailand so I had I had 1299 00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:47,940 a scale of distance I could determine 1300 00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:50,040 how far away it was and it must have 1301 00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,619 been less than half a mile from me 1302 00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:54,480 stood and watched object for over five 1303 00:51:58,990 --> 00:51:56,040 minutes so they slowly went over the 1304 00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,000 view the swelling substance was like a 1305 00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:02,400 difficult to describe but it was 1306 00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:04,140 nearest description I would say 1307 00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:06,660 condensed lighted blue orange and yellow 1308 00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:08,700 mixed together in a squirrely massive 1309 00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:09,980 energy 1310 00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:12,599 seemed to be covering this Perfect Cigar 1311 00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:16,380 shape there was no sound the whole Satan 1312 00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:19,500 from start to finish was about 15 to 20 1313 00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:21,300 minutes and there's no no one around but 1314 00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:23,339 in the South because it was a very quiet 1315 00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:25,559 Sunday uh 1316 00:52:30,109 --> 00:52:27,000 lunchtime 1317 00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:30,119 and and I [\h__\h] her I had left my 1318 00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:32,099 camera at home was frustrating to see on 1319 00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:33,960 the list I couldn't do anything more 1320 00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,020 other than what you'd just uh float away 1321 00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:38,640 in the distance 1322 00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:40,200 um silently 1323 00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:43,500 so I decided to go down to the beach 1324 00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:46,680 about 100 yards away from where I parked 1325 00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:47,520 the car 1326 00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:51,240 and there was one solitary fisherman 1327 00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:52,800 down there 1328 00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:56,880 I set the rod up and cast off and sort 1329 00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,980 of try to get into me confidence by 1330 00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,960 walking over and chatting with them and 1331 00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:02,400 then I asked them how to seen anything 1332 00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:03,660 in the sky 1333 00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:06,420 and he says no no he says have you seen 1334 00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:10,500 a UFO and I said well I think I have the 1335 00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:14,099 guy told me his uh brother-in-law worked 1336 00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,460 at Raf Boomer which is close by and 1337 00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:18,720 um told him that there was a there's 1338 00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:21,839 been a few sightings of recent 1339 00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:24,660 um we're talking for about five ten 1340 00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,339 minutes then I looked up in the sky to 1341 00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:28,400 see if there's anything 1342 00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:31,980 uh about nothing was about but what I 1343 00:53:36,010 --> 00:53:33,540 did notice was there was quite a few 1344 00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:36,020 light aircraft Circle in the area 1345 00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:39,240 uh I would say it quite dangerously uh 1346 00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:40,440 because I shouldn't be that close to 1347 00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,940 each other and basically it was uh you 1348 00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:47,280 know I was the only witness to this uh 1349 00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:50,520 incident but uh it's it's been haunting 1350 00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,099 me ever since and I thought I'd better 1351 00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:55,680 get it on record and tell a story it was 1352 00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:59,099 it was printed in um UFO magazine 1353 00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:01,740 in 2002. 1354 00:54:07,549 --> 00:54:05,760 though I did say it was uh Sunday the 1355 00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,559 25th of July but it wasn't it was 1356 00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:09,599 actually June Birmingham Maine it was 24 1357 00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:11,640 25 years later 1358 00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,280 and I'll just apparently I got that 1359 00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:17,119 month wrong but I couldn't change it uh 1360 00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:19,140 for the article 1361 00:54:23,620 --> 00:54:21,000 and that's it basically 1362 00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,630 and thanks for listening cheers 1363 00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:25,440 [Music] 1364 00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:28,140 hey Ryan this is Mike Cleland and I have 1365 00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,180 been wanting to share a story with you 1366 00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,760 for your witness accounts program which 1367 00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:35,280 I think is a really valuable show I 1368 00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:36,839 think when you do the witness accounts I 1369 00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:38,339 think it really provides a wonderful 1370 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,980 like almost a service to the UFO 1371 00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,960 Community to get this raw data just 1372 00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:44,400 people simply talking about their 1373 00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:46,500 sightings firsthand I think it's really 1374 00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:48,180 important and I'm grateful you're doing 1375 00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:50,760 this and it makes for a really engaging 1376 00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:52,980 show I really get excited when those 1377 00:54:59,210 --> 00:54:56,339 shows come up on my podcast feed 1378 00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,220 um full disclosure here I have been 1379 00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,200 doing UFO research on my own I've 1380 00:55:06,049 --> 00:55:03,119 written a few books and I have also been 1381 00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:06,059 a guest on your show Ryan so I just want 1382 00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:08,520 people to know that up front 1383 00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:12,480 I had a very strange sighting along with 1384 00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:14,760 my partner at the time my partner Andrea 1385 00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:16,440 who you have met 1386 00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,339 and telling this story I think like 90 1387 00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:23,119 of it is going to be trying to describe 1388 00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:27,240 how weird the thing we saw was now I was 1389 00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:28,559 with Andrea 1390 00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:32,720 and it was on Thursday April 25th of 1391 00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:35,460 2019 and this would have been about 6 30 1392 00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:37,800 PM when we saw this 1393 00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:40,980 Andrea and I were driving from upstate 1394 00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,380 New York to a very small UFO conference 1395 00:55:47,450 --> 00:55:45,599 that was taking place just outside of 1396 00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:47,460 Providence Rhode Island in a small 1397 00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:50,339 suburb of Providence called Warwick 1398 00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:52,859 and we were on our way to stay with our 1399 00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:57,359 friends Suzanne and Jack and Suzanne and 1400 00:56:04,430 --> 00:56:00,059 Jack are both experiencers too as is 1401 00:56:07,690 --> 00:56:04,440 Andrea so Andrea and I both have had 1402 00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:07,700 powerful experiences 1403 00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:11,460 seemingly UFO contact experiences 1404 00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,319 so we're driving 1405 00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:15,839 the sun is still up but it's getting to 1406 00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,300 be sunset it's getting to be just as 1407 00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:20,819 Twilight is arriving and we're driving 1408 00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:23,640 towards Providence from the north so 1409 00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:25,980 we're heading almost due south I think 1410 00:56:30,650 --> 00:56:29,160 it's roughly Southeast on Highway 146 1411 00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:30,660 and this is kind of a twisty Tourney 1412 00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:34,260 Road that goes from Massachusetts into 1413 00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:35,880 Rhode Island now Rhode Island's very 1414 00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:39,180 small so this highway there's not much 1415 00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:40,920 of it in that very small state so 1416 00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:43,140 there's really only you know a dozen 1417 00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:44,460 miles or so 1418 00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:47,400 now I was driving 1419 00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:49,740 and Andrea was sitting next to me 1420 00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:52,020 and it was an overcast day 1421 00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:54,059 and it was getting to be Twilight 1422 00:57:00,410 --> 00:56:57,300 so the cloud cover was kind of gray on 1423 00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:00,420 Gray and it wasn't fairy it was it just 1424 00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:02,220 had that indistinct kind of cloud cover 1425 00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:04,920 and this road is twisty tourney so we're 1426 00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:06,300 kind of turning One Direction and 1427 00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:07,859 there's trees right left of the road so 1428 00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:10,140 we don't have a wide view of the sky at 1429 00:57:14,809 --> 00:57:11,880 all times but we come around a corner 1430 00:57:17,569 --> 00:57:14,819 and we both say the same thing 1431 00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:17,579 she and I both saw it at the same time 1432 00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:20,880 and and we both said what is that and it 1433 00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:22,200 looked like 1434 00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,020 at first it caught our eye because it I 1435 00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,880 mean it could have been like it was 1436 00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:29,760 roughly the same color as the darkest 1437 00:57:34,510 --> 00:57:31,800 shadow of a cloud but a little bit 1438 00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:34,520 darker so there was an unusually dark 1439 00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:38,339 form in the sky and I remember saying 1440 00:57:44,089 --> 00:57:41,160 that's too dark to be some weird little 1441 00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:44,099 cloud and she agreed 1442 00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,140 now describing this is going to be tough 1443 00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:48,480 because it did seem to I will say morph 1444 00:57:54,109 --> 00:57:50,700 a little bit my first thought was that 1445 00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:54,119 it was like a partially inflated giant 1446 00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,920 mylar balloon it had this kind of thin 1447 00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:00,720 irregular quality to it so it wasn't 1448 00:58:06,190 --> 00:58:03,900 like a distinct metal craft in the sky 1449 00:58:08,809 --> 00:58:06,200 it was kind of 1450 00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:08,819 indistinct and 1451 00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:10,920 honestly it didn't look like much more 1452 00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:13,980 than a potato chip in its shape right 1453 00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:17,700 sort of curve kind of lumpy and it and 1454 00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,140 it was rotating now it was rotating very 1455 00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,520 smoothly and this was a little 1456 00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:25,200 problematic I was driving I was trying 1457 00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:26,700 to keep an eye on it Andrea was trying 1458 00:58:29,930 --> 00:58:27,900 to get a picture of it so she was 1459 00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:29,940 fumbling with her camera she never got a 1460 00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:31,800 picture of it though we did get some 1461 00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:33,300 good pictures of the highway and you can 1462 00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:35,460 see the cloud cover very clearly 1463 00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,839 in this potato chip shape was kind of 1464 00:58:43,549 --> 00:58:41,280 twisting 1465 00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:43,559 and and Andrea was saying it's blinking 1466 00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,000 out and I was like no no it's just 1467 00:58:49,849 --> 00:58:47,280 twisting out of it's just twisting to 1468 00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:49,859 we're seeing its thinnest Edge and we 1469 00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:52,260 both talked about this in the moment now 1470 00:58:58,430 --> 00:58:55,559 so just just try to Picture This imagine 1471 00:59:00,530 --> 00:58:58,440 taking like a business card 1472 00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:00,540 and holding it between your fingers 1473 00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:02,280 right so you're looking at it head on 1474 00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:05,400 and you see a big rectangle right and 1475 00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:07,980 then you turn it to the side and when 1476 00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:10,020 it's as thin as the piece of paper right 1477 00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:11,700 so you're looking at the edge if it was 1478 00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,799 let's say a white business card on a 1479 00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,599 white sunny day and you are out on the 1480 00:59:20,089 --> 00:59:18,000 beach let's say at a certain point it 1481 00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:20,099 would be technically invisible if you 1482 00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:23,760 were looking right at its thinnest Edge 1483 00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:25,799 and then it would essentially reappear 1484 00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:27,780 if you kept on twisting it into into 1485 00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:30,900 form again that was the sense I got it 1486 00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:34,200 was like a potato chip shaped thing very 1487 00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,520 very thin 1488 00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:38,400 that was rotating and it would it would 1489 00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:41,520 skip out of view when we saw it along 1490 00:59:47,809 --> 00:59:43,740 its thinnest Edge 1491 00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:47,819 so this dark steel Gray 1492 00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:50,880 whatever it was would twist out and be 1493 00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:53,160 out of phase 1494 00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:55,380 there's a very strange aspect to this 1495 01:00:00,130 --> 00:59:58,319 too which which Andrea and I both saw 1496 01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:00,140 and both talked about 1497 01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,359 this thing was in the Sky low enough 1498 01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,000 that it was below the cloud cover yet 1499 01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:08,880 high enough that it was it seemed pretty 1500 01:00:13,490 --> 01:00:11,160 far away it seemed like we were looking 1501 01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,500 at something rather large that was a big 1502 01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:15,119 distance away 1503 01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:19,500 and this is tough to say if I drew this 1504 01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:21,059 which I did a little Photoshop 1505 01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,940 Recreation and I put it on my blog in 1506 01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:25,920 drawing this right so I have this little 1507 01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,440 curved sort of potato chip piece of 1508 01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:30,480 slate gray 1509 01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:33,420 floating in the air 1510 01:00:39,730 --> 01:00:36,900 and then about three times the length of 1511 01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:39,740 the potato chip above that stationary 1512 01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:44,400 was a tiny singular dot I am talking 1513 01:00:49,569 --> 01:00:46,980 about barely perceptible essentially 1514 01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:49,579 like a period a single Little Dot 1515 01:00:54,890 --> 01:00:52,500 directly in line above this 1516 01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:54,900 and I I don't know any other way to 1517 01:01:01,789 --> 01:00:58,680 explain it it looked like the sky 1518 01:01:04,730 --> 01:01:01,799 was a giant Bolton board 1519 01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,740 and there was a pin in the Bolton board 1520 01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:06,720 and that's what we were seeing like a 1521 01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:08,040 little teeny push bin that all we could 1522 01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:09,960 see was a little Dot and then this 1523 01:01:13,609 --> 01:01:12,059 potato chip was hanging by a piece of 1524 01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:13,619 fishing line essentially an invisible 1525 01:01:19,849 --> 01:01:15,960 piece of fishing line so that was the 1526 01:01:21,530 --> 01:01:19,859 illusion it created a single push pin in 1527 01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:21,540 the sky 1528 01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:25,440 with a single thread a fishing line 1529 01:01:32,510 --> 01:01:28,380 holding this twisting potato chip 1530 01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,520 now to make things stranger we were 1531 01:01:36,410 --> 01:01:34,559 approaching Providence and that meant 1532 01:01:39,950 --> 01:01:36,420 approaching the airport and and we were 1533 01:01:42,589 --> 01:01:39,960 seeing big commercial aircraft crossing 1534 01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:42,599 the highway like low across the highway 1535 01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,180 and so if this was some sort of like 1536 01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,240 weather balloon or some sort of 1537 01:01:53,390 --> 01:01:51,599 um radio reflecting surface or something 1538 01:01:56,750 --> 01:01:53,400 like that that was held Aloft in a 1539 01:01:59,470 --> 01:01:56,760 balloon form the last place on Earth you 1540 01:02:01,849 --> 01:01:59,480 would want to put this is directly 1541 01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,859 seemingly directly in the path of 1542 01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:03,599 incoming flights that were going into 1543 01:02:07,069 --> 01:02:05,640 the Providence Airport so we were seeing 1544 01:02:09,710 --> 01:02:07,079 this at the exact same time we were 1545 01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:09,720 seeing airplane traffic crossing the 1546 01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:12,780 highway coming in for a landing 1547 01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:16,319 so as as we looked at this thing we were 1548 01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,780 on the highway kind of driving twisty 1549 01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,920 tourney 1550 01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:21,839 and and we go around a corner and we'd 1551 01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:23,220 lose sight of it 1552 01:02:27,470 --> 01:02:24,780 and then we come back around another 1553 01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:27,480 corner and we there it would be again 1554 01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,480 and it went from a potato chip to a 1555 01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:32,160 credit card 1556 01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:34,920 nice rectangle it was a little more 1557 01:02:39,530 --> 01:02:36,900 rounded and indistinct like a potato 1558 01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:39,540 chip but wow is it a very strange thing 1559 01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,420 and and both of us were absolutely 1560 01:02:46,849 --> 01:02:43,920 perplexed 1561 01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:46,859 I I feel strongly that if this had been 1562 01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:49,559 some sort of mylar balloon we would have 1563 01:02:53,809 --> 01:02:51,660 we would have recognized it as a mylar 1564 01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:53,819 balloon but both of us were really 1565 01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:57,119 surprised at the strangeness of this 1566 01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:00,000 now like if I had to guess the size of 1567 01:03:07,010 --> 01:03:03,780 it I would say that this thing was much 1568 01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:07,020 larger than let's say a billboard on the 1569 01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:09,059 side of a highway I mean it was much 1570 01:03:14,569 --> 01:03:11,640 larger I'm saying three or four five 1571 01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:14,579 times larger than a billboard on the 1572 01:03:18,589 --> 01:03:16,140 highway that's the only thing I can 1573 01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:18,599 equate as being similar because it it 1574 01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:21,359 felt almost rather two-dimensional at 1575 01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:23,880 times so it had that kind of billboard 1576 01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:26,880 flat quality to it 1577 01:03:33,770 --> 01:03:31,500 okay so now if anyone out there knows of 1578 01:03:36,289 --> 01:03:33,780 some sort of like I don't know some sort 1579 01:03:38,089 --> 01:03:36,299 of mylar balloon reflective surface that 1580 01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:38,099 that would appear this way in the sky 1581 01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,500 please please tell me I'm I'm totally 1582 01:03:44,329 --> 01:03:42,720 open to this being something other than 1583 01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,339 what it appeared to be which was 1584 01:03:49,849 --> 01:03:46,559 something very strange and I will 1585 01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:49,859 cautiously say something paranormal but 1586 01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:53,460 I I I simply have never heard a report 1587 01:03:59,150 --> 01:03:55,559 like this before I'd never seen anything 1588 01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:59,160 like this before and it it confounded 1589 01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:01,920 both of us in its strangeness 1590 01:04:07,849 --> 01:04:05,160 and when I did the blog post and did 1591 01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:07,859 create the Photoshop images and what I 1592 01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:10,319 did is took the photos that Andrea had 1593 01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:12,000 of the highway so I have an accurate 1594 01:04:17,450 --> 01:04:14,460 shot of the highway and then I tried to 1595 01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:17,460 create the the shape in the sky with the 1596 01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:19,260 little dot above it 1597 01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:21,480 and it was clearly done with Photoshop 1598 01:04:27,470 --> 01:04:24,480 and I clearly labeled the photos as 1599 01:04:29,809 --> 01:04:27,480 being done in Photoshop and it was funny 1600 01:04:32,349 --> 01:04:29,819 I put these on I wrote up a short little 1601 01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:32,359 report and put these images on Facebook 1602 01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:35,099 and a lot of people chimed in without 1603 01:04:38,329 --> 01:04:36,780 having done much more than give a 1604 01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,339 cursory glance at the image and saying 1605 01:04:42,589 --> 01:04:40,319 this is nothing but a Photoshop image 1606 01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:42,599 and yes of course I mean it was like my 1607 01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:44,760 drawing of what I saw so yes it was a 1608 01:04:49,309 --> 01:04:47,040 Photoshop image 1609 01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:49,319 thank you for letting me share this long 1610 01:04:56,089 --> 01:04:52,920 and somewhat unresolved story 1611 01:04:59,210 --> 01:04:56,099 love the show and I am wishing you and 1612 01:05:02,030 --> 01:04:59,220 Jane the greatest success in Scotland 1613 01:05:14,569 --> 01:05:02,040 the land of my ancestry 1614 01:05:18,589 --> 01:05:16,609 somewhere in the skies is produced by 1615 01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:18,599 Third Kind Productions in association